Sticking it to the Man
The business school portion of the JD/MBA is 32 units in two semesters. From what I understand I'll be taking 13 classes this fall for 17 units. The 17 units require 13 textbooks, the 13 textbooks, if bought mostly used from Baylor, require $961.50 and spending $961.50 on textbooks requires one to be a retard. I'm not a retard.
The above being true, I impolitely accused the clerks of attempting to engage me in a bout of coitus, stormed out of the store, went to Bigwords.com, and saved myself just over $500. Just thought you should know.
I also thought you should know that the business school doesn't have class on Fridays. Just putting that out there.
posted by Jon Swanburg @ 3:31 PM
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12 Comments:
Sorry to veer off topic Mr. Swanburg -- Baylor attorney here. Another '05 graduate and I hung a shingle right outa law school. Now we face more work that we can handle, at least over the next few weeks. Any bartakers want to assist us temporarily while awaiting your license? Would need you to start immediately. If interested, email at NathanFlach@gmail.com We office in Dallas, but will consider hiring someone to work remotely if no Dallasites apply. Pay is at the clerkship level – $700/wk. Thanks.
$700/wk??? I don't want to sound stuck up here, but I made more than that as an intern in undergrad. I guess beggers can't be choosers, but that is a really low rate for someone with a J.D.
Hey nathan, thanks for using the Baylor Law community's blogs as your own crappy job posting boards.
$700 a week: that's great. Do you give bonuses in hot dogs?
Oh my God, y'all are so freaking rude. If you don't want the job, don't e-mail him -- no need to make Baylor students look like brats. If it truly is lower pay than what anyone is willing to go for, they'll find out when no one replies. And just because *you're* not interested doesn't mean that no one is. It's a temporary job and it might be perfect for someone, so there's no reason to be so ugly.
$700 per week is not unreasonable for a clerk’s pay. We’re not talking about BIG FIRM law here. That is about what you would get paid as an assistant DA or public defender AFTER you pass the bar exam. Some students would probably jump at this opportunity. If you are not one of them, then don’t reply!!!
700 a week doesn't sound so bad for a temp job. Nathan's just trying to give someone who doesn't have a job a chance to do some stuff while they're waiting for their licence. He's a Baylor grad trying to help out other Baylor grads. I'm no big city lawyer and my dad doesn't own a private jet, but if I had just completed the bar and had nothing going on, a 2-3 week job doesn't sound so bad, at least for the experience and connections.
But I guess it's cool to just assume that Baylor grads are above that rate for a 2-3 week temp job.
Way to go Swanburg, starting trouble again.
BC
Here's some observations:
1. Nathan is in private practice.
2. He has more work than he can handle.
From these observations I can draw two conclusions that may not necessarily be true, but more than likely are:
1. If I were to work there, I would have a rather high workload (b/c the two have more than they can handle...would one or more additional person(s) drastically reduce this?)
2. With the high workload, I would be required to put in well over 40 hours per week or deal with a lot of stress.
So compare those conclusions with what you would deal with as an assistant DA. Do the two jobs really compare if my conclusions are actually true? I don't think assistant DA's work a whole lot more than 40 hours per week, but I don't know first hand...I could be wrong. Also, how much stress does an assistant DA have to deal with? I doubt the two jobs are really comparable, so let's not compare the pay.
But I was just stating a fact that I made that much as an intern as a Junior in undergrad. Is a JD not worth anything more than only being 3/4 of the way through undergrad? Also, that job was a stress-free 9-5 job...I never had to work more than 40 hours per week.
I should divulge a few additional facts. Perhaps doing so will alleviate any concerns that our objective is to take advantage of fellow Baylor alums. My firm provides services directly to other lawyers (as opposed to the end client),e.g., motions, appeals, etc. We charge between $60-$100/hr. We formed the firm about 14 months ago. For the first 4 months I lived with my parents and earned much less than $700/wk. We took out loans and spent thousands of dollars developing a website and advertising. Ever since, we've been focused only on client development. To that end, we regularly spend hours for which we don't charge. The last few months we’ve been doing well – mostly as a result of all of the word-of-mouth business received. Even still, we consistently under-report our time and after paying overhead, including our $1500/mon Westlaw bill, our take home is far less than one might think. Hope this helps. (That said, I really enjoy what I'm doing -- particularly the sensation of building something from the ground up...) Take care. -Nathan
To 3:04 p.m.:
Let's sum up what you DON'T know:
1) You have no idea how much work Nathan is planning to delegate to a new hire. Your reasoning that Nathan needs help = more than 40 hours a week is retarded logic.
2) You don't know whether Nathan's job is more hours than a DA's job.
3) You don't know if a DA's job is stressful.
4) You don't know that your undergrad work experience does not entitle all un-licensed Baylor grads to high paying temp jobs.
Also, it is true that we will consider only Baylor grads. I can tell you so many stories about how many times our clients say "it seems like you've been practicing for [5-8] years". I attribute this mostly to the litigation strategy learned in PC. Back to work...
5:14 p.m. --
Please inform me then if you are all knowing.
How is my reasoning so unreasonable to be "retarded"? My reasoning may be "retarded," but from my experiences my conclusions are usually the result. Like I said, I could be wrong.
And where did I ever say that I was entitled to a high paying job? My point was that I think my extra work and education should result in more pay. Otherwise, I would have stayed in my old job making the same amount.
Also, just curious here so don't think I'm taking a jab, how much work experience or other "real world experience" do you have?
Nathan --
Maybe you should post some of the duties a person applying for this job should expect to have to do so that person would have an idea how to value the position. Otherwise, a person might come to the conclusions that I came to, which I now know is "retarded logic."
I also apologize if I ever suggested you were trying to take advantage of anyone. My point was that given my assumptions, the pay did not equal the work required. I understand you have sacrificed a lot and worked hard to get where you have, but as an unknowing person interested in a position, I really don't care about how you got there (not trying to be rude, just frank). I would care about how you will reward my work once I work for you. And like I said, with my assumptions, the pay did not seem to equal the work.
Now everyone can flame away.
3:04 p.m.
My motivation for enumerating our expenses, hourly rate, etc. was to illustrate that we are not some fat cat law firm in search of further profits in exchange for low wages. Rather, we just need help for a few weeks because we over-obligated ourselves, and we thought that maybe a Baylor grad may want to make a few bucks, and at the same time receive some experience while awaiting his or her bar results.
Perhaps the pay is not equal to the work. So many of our firms initial contacts were made by doing work for less than equal pay -- doing so provided so many opportunities to prove the abilities of our firm. As time passed, these lawyers became willing to pay much more once trust and reputation for quality established. Though, I do understand that not everyone is willing to work for less than equal pay, even right out of law school, which is understandable. Certainly, I did not intend to undervalue the worth of Baylor graduates. As I said before, I receive frequent confirmation of the high value of Baylor grads, both by way of the feedback our firm receives and also by working with and against other Baylor attorneys.
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