The Fallen
This may be normal, I don't think it is, but the current 2Q's have lost 11 or more since starting in the Spring. I'd research it further but the U.C.C. isn't going to study itself.
That being said, if someone from each quarter could do me the favor of figuring out how many people have left since you started (ideally broken down into orientation drop outs, post-orientation drop outs and transfers), I'd appreciate it.
I'll start:
I started in Summer '06:
Orientation drop outs: 3
Post Orientation drop outs: 0
Transfers: 2 (Georgetown, SMU)
Now you try.
Today and tomorrow the comments might be the key to keeping people entertained because if there's one thing I've learned from studying so far, it's that there is nothing less funny than Articles 3 and 4. Absolutely nothing.
posted by Jon Swanburg @ 5:43 PM
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If what you say is true, the Summer starters, who usually have 30 members, lost 5 people in one year, or 1/6 of the class. The Spring starters, usually have 70 members, lost 11, or roughly 1/7 of the class in two quarters. Sounds to me like that's about the same ratio except the Spring starters may have lost more people earlier on.
6:49, do you really call transferring to higher-ranked law schools (because of excellent GPAs), where they will undoubtedly finish law school, a drop?
Notice the word 6:49 used 7:48? He used the word "lost" 3 times and the word "drop" exactly zero times. Please don't tell me you are a student or if you are, you're intoxicated in some way...surely Baylor has taught you better than that.
The 2q's started with 67 and we have now lost 13. You could call it 12, however, because PKerr will be back as soon as his duty in Iraq is over. Do transfers count for our class yet? We have 1 but she dropped before our last final...I'll let you make that call.
Orientation drop outs: 3
Post Orientation drop outs: 8
PKerr: 1
Transfers: 1
13/67 is 19.4% slightly higher than the 06 Summer starter's 16.7%
Swanburg, with you going for your JD/MBA and leaving law school for a year are you considered lost, transferred or just in a square state?
I don't know how many we started with, but I heard the number 67 somewhere along the way. We had one girl drop out during orientation, one guy drop out just before the first finals, one guy drop out for health problems (he's apparently back), and one guy just plain drop out in the spring. We also had another guy who won't be coming back because his wife got into Duke Law. I'm not sure if he transferred or not.
ORIENTATION: 1
POST-ORIENTATION, stayed gone: 3
POST-ORIENTATION, now back: 1
There may be more who don't plan on coming back, but that's all I know of. That looks like 5 of 65-70.
I started in Fall '06.
I just noticed: of our 5, only one was female. I'm not sure what our class ratio of men to women is, but I'm pretty sure it's not 4:1. I guess we fellas are just bigger quitters. I'm curious about other people's classes.
I'm still very much a law student. I consider myself in the same boat as a person who has taken off to work. As for the different categories of people choosing to leave Baylor, in my opinion there are big differences between each.
That being said, I looked up the numbers - because that’s what I do - and officially, this was last year's (maybe the year before's) break down:
1L's: we lost 22 because of "other reasons" and none because of academics. (12.1%)
2L's we lost 2 for academic reasons and 5 for others (5.4%)
3L's we didn't lose anyone.
As for transfers, we had 1 in and 6 out.
http://officialguide.lsac.org//SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA6032.pdf
Let's try this one "Baylor Law Stats"
So if that page says the School can support 1,700 simultaneous wireless network users, why are there problems in any classroom with more than 10 or so people? That information seems clearly eroneous.
Because you shouldn't be on the internet while you're in class.
Duh.
Total Students: 401
Caucasian males: 200 (49.9% of student body)
African Americans (male and female): 5
The Best White Men From the Houston and Dallas Suburbs Belong at Baylor.
12:41--
Now that is just funny...pathetically sad, but funny.
I also think that 200 males is a good bit low. Have I missed the 201 girls running around?
Sorry...missed the "caucasian" part. But still, that leaves a lot of girls that I haven't seen.
Texas Population Figures (2000 Census)
African American: 11.5%
Hispanic: 32%
Baylor Law Enrollment Figures (per ABA pdf)
African American: 1.2%
Hispanic: 5.7%
Baylor's Motto: "Pro Texana, Pro Ecclesia" (For Texas, For Church)
Placement of BLS Grads in Texas jobs:
83-90% range (last 5 years)
How is BLS serving Texas by only recruiting from the affluent suburbs and not using race or economic disadvantage as admission factors? Conversely, why are blacks and Hispanics not drawn to Baylor?
Is it any coincidence that the "Joining the Tradition of Excellence" T-shirts feature a classroom full of white males?
2:55....
I sincerely hope those last two paragraphs were a joke. If they were not, consider slapping yourself.
They probably should have doctored the photos to include blacks, hispanics, and asians, so we could all pretend that it was normal for them to be enrolled in higher education in America at that time.
. . . or why not try using a photo of Baylor Law that doesn't suggest its a predominantly white male school. Or would that be misrepresentation?
Not to mention most of the Baylor lawyers I know originally hailed from historically poor, underserved areas.
this vitrolic diatribe against the law school is uncalled for! If you are arguing for proportionality, then how are we to figure merit into the equation- as well as altering history to make Baylor Law seem ahistoically enlightened (a la the T-Shirts you suggest). Should we just use straight quotas- oh wait, that was ruled unconstitutional by the US SC. It is easy to throw bombs, but harder to actually come up with solutions- furthermore, though you may denigrate them, these affluent Texas suburbanites scions must go somewhere to law school- are they somehow less deserving of being here that someone from a more "diverse" background- i.e. in your world non white suburbanite, it seems. What about the many young men I meet from small towns in East and West Texas, who may return to serve those communities- evidently they are not as deserving of being served as these communities that you have singled out as being underserved by Baylor Law currently. Every proposal has costs, and I fail to see what your proposal would achieve.
For the forgoing reasons, I respectfully dissent.
Whoa, Dean Toben posts comments on this board?
That comment's creator hailed from a long-winded city.
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